Left-wing streamer Hasan Piker said in an interview released Thursday that he believes the United States has been responsible for more terrorism than Al Qaeda when measured by the number of people killed, remarks that quickly generated controversy and prompted Michigan Democratic Senate nominee Abdul El-Sayed to publicly disagree with him.
Piker, who supported El-Sayed during Michigan’s Democratic Senate primary and has appeared with him politically, was pressed on the issue during an appearance on “The Axios Show.” Asked about his previous description of the United States as “the top dog in terrorism,” Piker stood by the underlying claim.
“Pound for pound as far as the number of deaths, yes,” Piker said when asked whether he believed the United States had committed more terrorism than Al Qaeda.
“We have caused tremendous terror all around the world,” Piker added, pointing to a U.S. missile strike that hit a girls’ school in Iran during the opening hours of the Iran war on Feb. 28. The Associated Press has reported evidence that at least one American missile struck the school, although the precise death toll has remained uncertain and the Trump administration has not released the findings of a Pentagon investigation.
“If you’re killing 140 schoolgirls, that is an act of terror,” he went on. “This doesn’t mean that all Americans are terrorists, but the reality of the matter is we have to create an environment of accountability to ensure things like that never happen again.”
Piker later took to X to object to the way his interview was being presented, saying Axios had turned his “nuanced answer” into “clickbait.”
“[W]e’ve armed al qaeda [sic] since 9/11,” he added, “we made its former commander the president of syria [sic].”
Piker’s comparison drew particular attention because Al Qaeda carried out the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks, in which nearly 3,000 people were murdered. Nineteen Al Qaeda terrorists hijacked four commercial aircraft, crashing two into the World Trade Center towers in Manhattan and another into the Pentagon. The fourth plane crashed in Pennsylvania after passengers fought back against the hijackers.
The latest comments also revived scrutiny of Piker’s 2019 statement that America “deserved 9/11.” Piker subsequently apologized for the wording and has characterized the attacks as “blowback” from decades of American involvement in the Middle East.
“This doesn’t justify the action, mind you,” Piker told Axios. “This is more so analysis to stop further violence from taking place, both violence in the region, but also violence in the home front as well.”
Piker, 35, has also publicly expressed admiration for Mao Zedong, the Chinese Communist leader whose policies have been blamed by historians for tens of millions of deaths.
During the Axios interview, Piker was also questioned about the contrast between his intense criticism of Israel over its treatment of Palestinians and his approach to China’s treatment of the predominantly Muslim Uyghur population. Piker acknowledged that he cares “a lot more” about Israel’s actions.
“Yeah, because Israel is murdering not just Muslims but Christians as well with my tax dollars, and that I think is unacceptable,” Piker said.
He characterized China’s treatment of the Uyghurs as a “cultural genocide,” while applying a different description to Israel’s conduct in Gaza.
“There are different terms applied for different actions,” he explained. “I think what Israel is doing is an outright genocide.”
Piker similarly distinguished Russia’s invasion of Ukraine, which he called an “illegal invasion,” from Israel’s military campaign in Gaza, arguing that the two carry “a different weight in the immorality … as opposed to what Israel is doing in Gaza.”
Piker expanded on his views during an appearance on MS NOW’s “Clock It” podcast, where he was asked about his previously stated position that Israel is worse than Hamas.
“I do believe that,” he said.
“Is Hamas a religious fundamentalist operation that have engaged in violent actions? Of course they have, absolutely,” Piker continued. “But that violence is directly born out of, and even that repression is directly born out of, the conditions brought about by the occupation that’s been going on for 80-plus years.”
The discussion then turned to Piker’s broader argument about what he considers state or “structural” violence. In making that case, he drew an analogy involving demonstrations against police brutality.
“Structural violence and state violence is oftentimes made to be invisible,” Piker said. “So when Israel as a state is operating its normal state functions, and sometimes it can come across as excessive, right? It’s not seen as violent.”
“It’s no different than when people protest against police violence and police brutality,” he continued. “The brutality of the police is systemic violence, and therefore it’s normalized … Whereas when people protest against the police, that is all of a sudden chaotic, that’s all of a sudden violent.”
MS NOW host Symone Sanders Townsend pushed back on the analogy, saying she believed it appeared to place Hamas in the position of people protesting police misconduct.
“It sounds like the example that you just gave that the people who are protesting the police are Hamas, and I just would reject that as somebody who has protested the police before, but we can move on,” she said.
The controversy has spilled directly into Michigan’s closely watched U.S. Senate campaign. Piker supported El-Sayed during the Democratic primary, and Republicans have repeatedly sought to make their association an issue in the general election campaign against Republican nominee Mike Rogers. GOP-aligned groups have spent millions of dollars on advertising highlighting Piker’s remarks and his ties to El-Sayed.
El-Sayed responded to Piker’s latest comments by explicitly rejecting his comparison between the United States and Al Qaeda.
“I do not agree with this statement, nor do I give much weight to the statements made by a social media streamer. I am more concerned with the dangerous policies of Donald Trump and [Republican candidate] Mike Rogers that are raising the prices of gas, groceries and healthcare for Michiganders.”
A day earlier, however, El-Sayed had explained why he continues to engage with Piker despite their disagreements. During a candidate forum on Fox 2 Detroit, he pointed to the size of Piker’s online following.
“The reason I talk to Hasan isn’t because of Hasan, it’s because of the 3 million people who pay attention to what he has to say.”
“Too often the way that our politics happen is that we’re told who we cannot talk to.”
The dispute comes with less than seven weeks remaining before the Nov. 3 midterm elections, as both parties pour substantial resources into the Michigan Senate contest. Democratic- and Republican-aligned groups have committed tens of millions of dollars to the race, while Piker’s relationship with El-Sayed has become one of the issues Republicans are using in their campaign against the Democratic nominee.