Shas chairman Aryeh Deri delivered one of his most forceful public interviews in years on Thursday, launching a blistering attack on Israel’s Supreme Court, the IDF chief of staff, and the political left while pledging unwavering support for Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu. In an interview with Kikar, Deri also revealed what he described as a dramatic warning he once received from a leading Israeli academic about the future of the Torah world and announced that he intends to urge the Chareidi parties to boycott upcoming High Court hearings on the recently passed arrest-freeze law.
Breaking weeks of public silence, Deri sat down for an extensive interview with Kikar HaShabbat, addressing the draft crisis, the imprisonment of yeshiva students, Israel’s security situation, and the upcoming election campaign.
Deri began by condemning recent media reports regarding alleged Israeli efforts to topple Iran’s regime, calling the leaks themselves a serious threat to national security.
“I think those publications are extremely serious,” he said. “I never confirm or deny such matters, but where is the responsibility? I understand the thinking of whoever leaked the information to the foreign press, regardless of how much of it is true, but Israel is still at war. How can someone publish something like that just to justify an operation? I call on the Mossad director, who has the authority, to immediately launch an investigation. Whoever leaked it should be prosecuted. It is an extremely serious blow to Israel’s security in the middle of a war.”
Deri then turned to the controversy surrounding the draft law and the arrests of yeshiva students, arguing that the Chareidi community is facing unprecedented pressure.
He revealed what he described as a previously undisclosed conversation that took place during the judicial reform protests before the war. According to Deri, numerous public figures visited him at his former home in Jerusalem’s Har Nof neighborhood in an effort to persuade him to distance himself from the government’s judicial reform agenda.
One visitor, he said, was Prof. Uriel Reichman, founder of Reichman University.
“I’m going to reveal something I’ve never spoken about before,” Deri said. “During the judicial reform period, many people came to me because they thought I was the responsible adult, the moderate one. They asked, ‘What do you have to do with Smotrich, Ben Gvir and Yariv Levin?’”
According to Deri, Reichman warned him that continued Chareidi support for the political right would fundamentally alter the relationship between Israel’s establishment and the Chareidi community.
“He told me plainly: ‘We gave you Yavneh and its sages. We gave the Chareidi community its own space. Now you’ve crossed the line by joining the messianists, Smotrich, Ben Gvir and Yariv Levin. If you continue down this path, there will no longer be “Yavneh and its sages.” We will dismantle everything you have received over the past several decades.’”
Deri said he challenged the statement, asking Reichman what he meant by “we,” to which he claims Reichman replied: “You heard me. Take it to your rabbis and let them decide what they want.”
Addressing the prolonged effort to pass legislation regulating the status of yeshiva students, Deri blamed wartime circumstances, former Defense Minister Yoav Gallant, MK Yuli Edelstein, and the attorney general for delaying the process.
“You’re in the middle of a war, with 250 hostages, casualties announced every day, and at the same time trying to manage the Knesset Foreign Affairs and Defense Committee,” he said. “Gallant disrupted the process for a year until he was removed. Edelstein held 80 meetings, and in the end it became clear that he misled us all.”
Deri reserved some of his harshest criticism for IDF Chief of Staff Lt. Gen. Eyal Zamir, accusing him of improperly intervening in politics by opposing the arrest-freeze legislation.
“What the chief of staff did was extremely serious,” Deri said. “He is my friend. I respect him, and I have defended him many times when others criticized him. But unfortunately, for a long time now, I believe he has lost his way.”
Deri insisted that senior military officials knew the arrests of yeshiva students would not result in additional enlistments.
“We would never have advanced this legislation without thoroughly consulting the highest-ranking military officials and confirming that these arrests were not producing soldiers.”
He continued: “Without any doubt, during an election period, what the chief of staff did—whether intentionally or not—helped the left-wing bloc. I have no doubt about that. For the past several years, everything they have done—the sanctions and everything else—has had one objective: stopping judicial reform.”
Deri argued that the chief of staff crossed a dangerous line by entering the political arena.
“He is the chief of staff of the Israel Defense Forces. He has no business involving himself in politics. What he did set a very dangerous precedent. It caused enormous damage to the army. It did not help the army.”
Turning to the expected Supreme Court challenge to the arrest-freeze law, Deri announced that he will urge both Shas and Degel HaTorah not to participate in the legal proceedings.
“I am going to recommend to my colleagues in Degel HaTorah and within Shas that we should not send legal representatives to the Supreme Court. We have no confidence in the Supreme Court. We already know what the outcome will be.”
He continued, “We must not be part of this game. We must not lend legitimacy to this charade by pretending justice will be done. We should tell them plainly: ‘We do not recognize your authority. We already know what the result will be.’”
Deri argued that because the court had already issued interim orders before the law officially took effect, its decision had effectively been made in advance.
Responding to criticism from senior Agudas Yisrael figures who claimed he always knew the legislation would eventually be struck down, Deri dismissed the accusations.
“I have tremendous respect for Agudas Yisrael,” he said. “Members of Agudas Yisrael themselves approached me yesterday and said those comments did not represent them. If they believed the law was meaningless, why did they vote for it? Why did the chairman of Agudas Yisrael congratulate Defense Minister Yisrael Katz after it passed?”
Deri also rejected claims that Netanyahu intentionally avoided the Knesset vote on the arrest-freeze law.
“That simply isn’t true,” he said. “He flew in by helicopter specifically to participate in the vote. He left only because he was called away for a diplomatic consultation and was already on his way back when the vote concluded. It was purely coincidental.”
The Shas chairman reiterated his party’s unequivocal support for Netanyahu.
“We support Prime Minister Netanyahu, period,” Deri declared. “There is no one else we can support today.”
He argued that any government led by MK Gadi Eisenkot would pose a greater threat to religious life than many realize.
“Everything connected to Judaism—marriage and divorce, kashrus, the Chief Rabbinate, rabbinical courts, Shabbos, public transportation on Shabbos—that is the camp he represents.”
At the same time, Deri said Shas continues to favor a broad unity government, saying wider coalitions create more consensus and reduce political division.
Deri sharply criticized Eisenkot’s proposed draft framework, saying it would be even more harmful to the Torah world than previous proposals advanced by Avigdor Lieberman or Naftali Bennett.
“Everyone says Eisenkot is more moderate, but his proposal is actually worse,” Deri said. “He wants quotas. He wants someone to decide which yeshiva student goes to the army and which one stays in the beis medrash. Who has the authority to decide who is a true ben Torah? Are we going to walk into Porat Yosef or another yeshiva and tell half the students to continue learning and send the other half into the army? Who could possibly make such a decision?”
Addressing recent polls showing declining support for Shas, Deri said he remains unconcerned.
“The late Professor Camil Fuchs consistently underestimated us in every election,” he said. “There is disappointment, and it is understandable. But when people go into the voting booth, they will understand exactly what is at stake.”
Deri also accused left-wing organizations of financing campaigns designed to discourage Chareidim from voting.
“This has been going on for a long time,” he said. “Kaplan protesters, left-wing money, international foundations, Israeli foundations, high-tech money—liberal left-wing funding that wants to secularize the country and dismantle the right-wing bloc—has unfortunately succeeded in recruiting collaborators from within our own community.”
According to Deri, those efforts included secretly recording rabbonim and attempting to create divisions among Torah leaders.
“Their goal is simple,” he said. “To convince the Chareidi public to stay home on election day.”
Asked at the end of the interview about recent criticism from Degel HaTorah chairman MK Moshe Gafni, Deri declined to escalate the dispute.
“Ask him those questions,” Deri replied with a smile. “Tell him I love him, I respect him, and we’ll continue working together. He grew up in southern Israel, and sometimes he’s a little Moroccan—he gets a little hot-tempered.”
{Matzav.com}