Rav Tzemach Mazuz to BBC: “An Israeli Prison is Not like a Soviet Prison”
A BBC news team visited Yeshiva Kisei Rachamim as part of a broader report examining the proposed legislation that would formally regulate the status of lomdei Torah in Israel. After touring the batei midrash and observing the intensity of the learning, the journalists sat for an extended conversation with the rosh yeshiva, Rav Tzemach Mazuz, who addressed a wide range of issues dominating the public debate — from the arrests of yeshiva students, to extremist disruptions, to budget cuts for Torah institutions, to chareidi support for the prime minister.
Torah funding cuts: “For two thousand years of exile, did we ever get government money? No — and Torah endured.”
Asked about reductions in funding for yeshivos in the absence of a legal framework, Rav Mazuz responded with confidence rooted in faith. He noted that Chazal assure us that Torah will never be forgotten, and insisted that lomdei Torah would persist regardless of decrees. “Anu mivtachim mipi Hakadosh Boruch Hu shelo sishkach Torah mipi zaro,” he emphasized, explaining that parnassah ultimately does not come from budgets or ministries but from the Ribbono Shel Olam alone.
In a later recording, the rosh yeshiva recounted his exchange with the BBC reporters. They had asked: What will happen if the government cuts off all funding? Rav Mazuz said he answered simply: for two millennia in exile, Torah survived without government assistance. Pointing to ancient manuscripts in his office, he said, “The Torah endured! Even if the state provided nothing, Hakadosh Baruch Hu would provide. One who truly believes that the Almighty controls all forces can remain calm.”
Arrests of yeshiva students: “Even the Ben Ish Chai and the Vilna Gaon sat in prison — and they came through it.”
The BBC journalists also questioned what would happen if the High Court were to mandate jail time for anyone refusing army service. Rav Mazuz told them he laughed. “Baruch Hashem, an Israeli prison is not like a Soviet prison, no. During those twenty days, you receive glatt kosher food under badatz supervision — not Bagatz supervision,” he quipped. He noted that inmates are allowed to daven with a minyan and maintain a Torah lifestyle.
He reminded them that great Torah sages endured imprisonment and emerged unbroken. “The Ben Ish Chai was in prison. The Gaon of Vilna was in prison. They went through it — and so will we. But should that make us despair of Torah learning? Absolutely not. And I hope we never reach that point.”
The value of Torah learning: “This is our army — Torah and tefillah protect the soldiers.”
Rav Mazuz stressed that Torah learning is not merely spiritual practice but national protection. “Come here at one in the morning — half the yeshiva is still learning,” he told the BBC. “Through Torah, we protect the soldiers wherever they are. This is our army.”
He added that this belief has long been accepted by Israeli leaders: Torah and constant prayer are essential to the country’s success, no less than tanks or fighter jets. But, he said, “today, many in government and the Knesset have distanced themselves from religion. They say yeshiva boys are slackers — but in Tel Aviv there are tens of thousands who evade the draft. Why don’t they take them? Why target yeshiva students?”
On rising hostility toward religious Jews: “Hashem directs everything for the best.”
Asked how he views the intensifying hostility toward lomdei Torah, Rav Mazuz shared a broader perspective of emunah. He pointed to the unexpected political trajectory of President Donald Trump as an example of Divine planning. Though many were disappointed when Trump did not win a second consecutive term, Rav Mazuz said, “Hashem knew Hamas’s plans. Hashem wanted Trump in office now. He preserved him for the period in which we would need him most.”
“The world is directed by the Creator, and He runs everything in the best way.”
On extremist violence: “This is not our way — these are fringe elements who will disappear.”
The BBC also raised the recent violent behavior of fringe youths targeting shluchai derabbanan. Rav Mazuz responded firmly: “Violence is not our path. You will not find one student from a yeshiva like ours in those protests.” He described the perpetrators as marginal extremists whose influence will fade. He emphasized that the chareidi public is committed to derech eretz, honoring Torah, and avoiding all forms of aggression.
On support for the prime minister: “He acted with wisdom on seven fronts of war.”
When asked whether it was better to support the current draft-law proposal even if it meant preserving Prime Minister Netanyahu’s government, Rav Mazuz refrained from giving a specific political instruction. But he did praise Netanyahu’s conduct during the war, saying the prime minister managed simultaneous crises with intelligence and clarity.
He added that his family’s relationship with Netanyahu goes back decades: long before his first premiership, Netanyahu visited the office of Rav Mazuz’s late brother, the revered rosh yeshiva Rav Meir Mazuz zt”l, in the very room where the interview took place, to seek his blessing before an election. Rav Meir received him warmly and presented him with a Tehillim.
{Matzav.com}
