“THEY CALLED ME AT 2 A.M.”: Ben-Gvir Fires Back at Shas Lawmakers, Defends His Rabbonim and Addresses Arrests of Yeshiva Bochurim
Israeli National Security Minister Itamar Ben-Gvir has sharply criticized Shas lawmakers for attacking him ahead of the upcoming elections, accusing them of turning against him for political reasons despite repeatedly seeking his assistance throughout the past four years, including telephone calls in the middle of the night.
In an extensive interview with Yishai Cohen of Kikar HaShabbat, conducted less than a week before the elections, the Otzma Yehudit chairman also addressed criticism from Rav Yitzchak Yosef, the arrests of yeshiva bochurim over military service, his increasingly strained relationship with Finance Minister Bezalel Smotrich, and concerns that Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu could exclude him from the next government.
Responding to Rav Yitzchak Yosef’s criticism of his visits to Har Habayis, which the Rishon Letzion maintains are prohibited under the severe Torah prohibition carrying the punishment of kareis, Ben-Gvir insisted that he would not speak against the Sephardic Torah leader.
“I will not say a single word, not one word, against Maran the Rishon Letzion,” Ben-Gvir declared. “I do want to say one thing: I believe that everyone has their own rabbonim. I have my rabbonim, and my rabbonim have very, very broad shoulders! Don’t belittle my rabbonim. They have enormous shoulders. My complaint, G-d forbid, is not with Maran the Rishon Letzion, but with the Knesset members and political activists.”
Ben-Gvir then directed his criticism toward Shas politicians, accusing them of forgetting the assistance he had provided when they needed his help.
“I have never exploited the chareidi community for political gain,” he said. “It was always with love, always with an embrace. Aryeh Deri told me countless times, ‘You’re not like Bezalel, you’re truly a friend.’ You knew whom to turn to during these four years! For every little problem, for every phone call at two in the morning, you really called me, you picked up the phone, and I was always there. Don’t change your colors because of the elections.”
The minister also addressed the controversy surrounding police arrests of yeshiva bochurim classified as military draft avoiders, an issue that has generated growing anger within the chareidi community.
Ben-Gvir said that although he supports military enlistment for those who are not studying Torah, he opposes attempts to achieve that objective through arrests and coercive measures.
“First of all, I’ll say it in the simplest terms: I support enlistment, but the way to enlist people—and those who aren’t learning Torah, yes, as the rabbonim say—is not through beatings, arrests, or actions of that kind, but through an embrace and love!”
Asked why police under his ministry continue arresting yeshiva bochurim, Ben-Gvir maintained that Israeli law does not permit him to interfere in individual police operations.
“You know very well that I have no authority!” he said. “Everyone knows that, Deri knows that, that I’m forbidden to call a police officer or tell the police commissioner, ‘Arrest him, don’t arrest him.’ What am I allowed to do? Set policy.”
Ben-Gvir then accused the chareidi parties of having blocked his earlier efforts to dismiss Attorney General Gali Baharav-Miara, whom he blamed for restricting his authority.
“I was allowed to lead a move to fire Gali Baharav-Miara—and the ones who prevented that move at the beginning of the term were the chareidi partners! When I came in and told them, ‘Let’s fire her,’ they told me, ‘We can make deals with her.'”
On the subject of integrating chareidim into law enforcement, Ben-Gvir pointed to the establishment of a special chareidi Border Police unit as an example of his efforts to accommodate the community’s religious requirements.
“I opened a chareidi Border Police unit,” he said. “I took care of everything for them: strictly kosher food, all the conditions, bases, everything according to what they wanted. When you bring in these chareidi police officers, the level of violence decreases, the understanding of the community is different, and they know the sensitivities.”
Turning to the elections, Ben-Gvir addressed the emergence of smaller chareidi parties seeking to attract voters dissatisfied with Shas and United Torah Judaism.
He argued that these parties would fail to cross the electoral threshold and urged voters considering them to support his party instead.
“I say this in the clearest possible terms: It is not right, not appropriate, and not smart to give your vote to these parties! These parties ultimately will not cross the electoral threshold. Shas and United Torah Judaism are something entirely different, but whoever does not vote for Shas and United Torah Judaism should vote for Otzma Yehudit! Otherwise, whoever votes for them is giving a gift to Gali Baharav-Miara.”
Ben-Gvir emphasized that he was not seeking to persuade chareidim who follow the instructions of their rabbonim to vote for the established chareidi parties. Rather, he said, he was addressing those considering abstaining or supporting smaller factions.
“Whoever follows the rabbonim who say to vote for Shas and United Torah Judaism—go vote. I’m speaking to those who stay home or are disappointed. There are many members of the chareidi community who don’t want to vote… Come vote, don’t give a gift to Gali Baharav-Miara.”
The interview also highlighted Ben-Gvir’s deteriorating relationship with Smotrich, whom he accused of belittling his rabbonim and displaying arrogance toward him.
“You can’t ignore it!” Ben-Gvir said. “He held a rabbonim conference and said, ‘These are the rabbonim of the right.’ When they asked him why he didn’t invite Itamar, he said, ‘Itamar doesn’t have rabbonim.’ I don’t have rabbonim?! Rav Shmuel Eliyahu isn’t a rav?! Rav Dov Lior isn’t a rav?! How dare you say such a thing?!”
When Cohen asked whether he believed Smotrich’s attitude reflected ethnic prejudice, Ben-Gvir suggested that his Sephardic background and status as a baal teshuvah were factors.
“Condescension? Yes! Arrogance, conceit. Sephardic, baal teshuvah… There are all kinds of things.”
Ben-Gvir also expressed concern that Netanyahu might attempt to establish a broader coalition after the elections by bringing former IDF chief of staff Gadi Eisenkot into the government while leaving Otzma Yehudit in the opposition.
“I know that the prime minister wants a calmer term this time,” Ben-Gvir said. “With Itamar Ben-Gvir there are more challenges—I want to fire the attorney general, I want to conquer Gaza, I want to encourage emigration. Netanyahu has decided that perhaps a term with Eisenkot would be quieter. His associates are saying it, Danny Danon, Miki Zohar, Bardugo… There is an intention there to bring in Eisenkot.”
The minister said that if his party emerged with greater parliamentary strength, he would seek senior cabinet positions, including the Defense Ministry for himself and the Justice Ministry for Likud lawmaker Tally Gotliv.
“If Otzma Yehudit is large, there will be a right-wing government,” he declared. “If the public supports us, I will demand the Defense Ministry and the Justice Ministry for Tally Gotliv in order to fire the attorney general.”
{Matzav.com}
